Legislature(2007 - 2008)BARNES 124

05/03/2007 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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*+ HB 199 MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TELECONFERENCED
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HB 199-MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:07:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  announced that  the first order  of business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 199,  "An Act  relating to  an optional                                                               
exemption   from  municipal   property   taxes  for   residential                                                               
property."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:07:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SCOTT   KAWASAKI,  Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
sponsor, explained  that HB 199  changes one number  dealing with                                                               
local  municipalities  in  Title   29.    He  highlighted  rising                                                               
property taxes,  adding that  the property tax  caps in  place in                                                               
many municipalities do  very little to offset rising  taxes.  One                                                               
way to  address high  property taxes  is to  offset them  with an                                                               
exemption.  In 2005 [Fairbanks]  voters voted to increase the tax                                                               
exemption  to  $20,000, which  is  the  maximum level  state  law                                                               
allows.   This legislation, HB  199, would increase  the property                                                               
tax exemption to  up to $100,000.  He acknowledged  that there is                                                               
a  proposed committee  substitute  (CS) that  would increase  the                                                               
property  tax  exemption  to up  to  [$50,000].    Representative                                                               
Kawasaki said  that he favors any  increase in the amount  of the                                                               
exemption.   A  residential property  tax exemption  is fair,  he                                                               
opined.  He  explained that if [a community] is  up against a tax                                                               
or revenue  cap and the  same level  of funding is  desired every                                                               
year and  the community  exempts properties,  then the  mill rate                                                               
has to  increase in order to  recoup the cost of  the exemptions.                                                               
He  opined that  a  residential property  tax  exemption is  fair                                                               
because those who are hit the  hardest and need the exemption the                                                               
most will  keep their money  in town.   This legislation  and its                                                               
companion in  the Senate  are supported  by the  Alaska Municipal                                                               
League.   Representative Kawasaki informed the  committee that HB
199 has received  wide support.  In fact, he  said that he hasn't                                                               
heard any opposition to the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:11:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  inquired as  to how  the $100,000  exemption was                                                               
determined.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  said he believes, upon  review of rising                                                               
property taxes, that the $100,000  exemption is fair based on the                                                               
level at  which home values  are rising.   He related  his belief                                                               
that the $100,000 exemption would keep pace with inflation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  asked if the  sponsor has discussed HB  199 with                                                               
those in the business community.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  pointed out  that HB  199 is  similar to                                                               
2003 legislation that  passed both the House and the  Senate.  At                                                               
that  time  there  was  very little  opposition.    Although  the                                                               
business community  hasn't come out  in opposition to HB  199, he                                                               
related  his belief  that the  burden will  be shifted  to higher                                                               
valued homes, those [assessed] above  the $400,000 mark.  This is                                                               
good legislation because  those who need the money  the most will                                                               
benefit from  the exemption while  large box stores,  he assumed,                                                               
would experience an increase in their taxes and bottom lines.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI, in  response to  Representative Neuman,                                                               
clarified  that  HB  199  proposes  an  optional  exemption  that                                                               
provides second  class boroughs  and cities  another tool.   This                                                               
legislation sets  the limit at  $100,000.   If a city  decides to                                                               
utilize the exemption, the mill rate  could rise to that point or                                                               
it doesn't have to increase the mill rate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:16:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  explained that  when a community  values its                                                               
property,  there  are  residential,  industrial,  and  commercial                                                               
components.  This  proposal shifts the cost burden  such that all                                                               
residents  could see  a credit  that reduces  taxes, but  doesn't                                                               
increase  the  mill rate  because  it  shifts to  the  commercial                                                               
component  in  that  it  increases   the  amount  the  commercial                                                               
component is taxed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:17:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  surmised  that  the  credit  is  paid  by                                                               
someone else.   He  asked Representative  Kawasaki if  he expects                                                               
the City of Fairbanks to reduce residents' taxes by $100,000.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  directed  attention  to  the  committee                                                               
packet, which  includes resolutions  requesting exemptions  of up                                                               
to $100,000.   Representative Kawasaki explained  that a $100,000                                                               
decrease in valuation  at 15 mills would be a  $1,500 exemption a                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:19:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  inquired as  to how HB  199 would  impact leased                                                               
property.   She  further  inquired as  to  whether an  individual                                                               
operating  a  small  business  out   of  his/her  home  would  be                                                               
considered residential or commercial property.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  pointed out  that state law  merely says                                                               
that a  municipality can exempt  or partially  exempt residential                                                               
property.   Therefore, he surmised  that it depends upon  how the                                                               
local municipality decides to address the exemption.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:20:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE VAN  SANT, State Assessor, Division  of Community Advocacy,                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,   Community,  &  Economic  Development,                                                               
returning to Representative Neuman's  earlier question, said that                                                               
if a municipality provides an  exemption on residential property,                                                               
the mill  rate will have to  increase.  Although there  will be a                                                               
decrease in the  taxes of residential property  owners, the taxes                                                               
will be  shifted to nonresidential  property such  as commercial,                                                               
industrial, vacant land, and perhaps in  some case to oil and gas                                                               
property.   The increase  in mill rate  will vary  depending upon                                                               
the  exemption.     Mr.  Van   Sant  highlighted  that   in  most                                                               
municipalities,  only   owner-occupied  residences   receive  the                                                               
exemption.  He then pointed out  that the committee should have a                                                               
fiscal note  from the Department  of Revenue illustrating  a drop                                                               
in  state  revenues in  the  amount  of  $1-$1.5 million  for  an                                                               
exemption of up to $50,000.   He estimated that the loss in state                                                               
revenues for  an exemption  of up  to $100,000  should be  in the                                                               
range of $2-$2.5 million.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  inquired as to  how a single-family  resident in                                                               
which there is a business is taxed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN   SANT  answered  that   if  it's   owner-occupied,  the                                                               
[municipality] will  probably give a partial  exemption such that                                                               
the exemption only applies to the residence.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:23:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX inquired  as to  why HB  199 would  result in  a                                                               
decrease in state  revenues since it provides an  exemption for a                                                               
municipal property tax.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN SANT  explained that in the North  Slope area, Fairbanks,                                                               
Valdez,  and Kenai  there are  state  oil and  gas properties  on                                                               
which the  state levies a  20 mill  tax from which  the municipal                                                               
tax is deducted.   For example, if in Fairbanks  the mill rate is                                                               
15, the state  would receive 5 mills of the  oil and gas property                                                               
and the borough 15 mills.  If  the mill rate increases to 17, the                                                               
extra 2  mills will  be applied  to the  oil and  gas properties,                                                               
which will be deducted from the state's share of the 20 mills.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:24:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  inquired as  to  how  much this  proposed                                                               
exemption would impact the state's general fund.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN SANT  specified that when a similar  proposal was brought                                                               
up  a few  years ago  with  an exemption  of up  to $50,000,  the                                                               
estimated  cost  to  the  state's general  fund  was  about  $1.6                                                               
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:24:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH said  that  after discussions  with Mr.  Van                                                               
Sant  regarding the  drop in  state revenue,  she decided  to put                                                               
forth the  proposed CS with an  exemption of up to  $50,000.  Co-                                                               
Chair Fairclough related that the  local option aspect of this is                                                               
more palatable  to her.   She  then inquired,  "Is there  a nexus                                                               
point  between  ...  the cost  shift  from  residential  property                                                               
owners to the  taxation of commercial and  industrial property in                                                               
a different way?  And is there a tipping point?"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN   SANT  highlighted  that   the  growth   percentage  of                                                               
residential property  has out paced that  of commercial property.                                                               
Therefore,  there has  been  an abnormal  increase  in values  of                                                               
residential property  in comparison to commercial  property.  The                                                               
main thrust of legislation such as  HB 199 is to slow that growth                                                               
for residential property.   Furthermore, it all  depends upon how                                                               
the municipalities implement  it.  At a  $50,000 exemption, those                                                               
properties in  the $400,000 range  will see an increase  in taxes                                                               
paid,  depending upon  how much  the  mill rate  is increased  in                                                               
order to make up the loss the municipality realizes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH further clarified  her question.  She pointed                                                               
out that large stores, such as  Fred Meyer, do use facilities and                                                               
municipal  services  in a  manner  different  than a  residential                                                               
property  owner.    The industrial/commercial  community  have  a                                                               
greater use of  the system that [all property  owners] are trying                                                               
to pay for  equally.  She asked  if there's a point  at which the                                                               
shift [in taxes] is unfair.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  SANT reminded the  committee that the  largest component                                                               
of any mill  rate is the school budget,  which typically accounts                                                               
for  70-80 percent  of the  total  mill rate.   He  said that  he                                                               
hasn't done a study on [such a tax shift].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WOLFGANG FALKE began  by characterizing the City  of Fairbanks as                                                               
a  glorified service  area that  isn't taking  care of  education                                                               
since it's a borough function.   Mr. Falke opined that it doesn't                                                               
matter whether there's  a sales tax or a property  tax because if                                                               
there's a sales tax, the property  tax will decrease.  He further                                                               
opined that Fairbanksans are proud of  not paying a sales tax and                                                               
thus  don't seem  to  mind  paying more  in  property  tax.   The                                                               
businesses are  writing off  their [property]  tax as  a business                                                               
expense,  and therefore  that property  tax is  reflected in  the                                                               
price.   If the  property tax decreased,  the consumer  pays less                                                               
but  has  to   pay  a  sales  tax,   which  generates  additional                                                               
administrative costs.   Mr. Falke  said that he's opposed  to any                                                               
tax that creates more administrative  costs.  He then opined that                                                               
citizens  should  receive  an exemption  rather  than  having  an                                                               
exemption in the  form of a sales tax and  a decrease in property                                                               
tax  because  citizens  would ultimately  pay  the  property  tax                                                               
twice.    They  would  pay  the property  tax  to  the  city  and                                                               
indirectly at  the store.  He  then highlighted Article X  of the                                                               
Alaska State Constitution, which  specifies that the state should                                                               
provide  for  maximum  local self  government.    Therefore,  the                                                               
exemption  should be  in  place  without any  limit  and thus  he                                                               
suggested deletion of the last sentence  of HB 199.  He concluded                                                               
by stating  that HB 199 provides  a little break from  the double                                                               
taxation he explained earlier.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:35:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA  PEGER  noted  her  agreement  with  Mr.  Falke  that  there                                                               
shouldn't be an  upper limit on this exemption  because it should                                                               
be [left  up to] local  control.   She suggested that  instead of                                                               
having an  upper limit, the  $100,000 could  be inflation-proofed                                                               
by  the annual  average statewide  property assessment  increase.                                                               
Ms.  Peger opined  that she  likes HB  199 as  it is.   She  then                                                               
highlighted  the  continuing   financial  hardships  the  average                                                               
middle class citizen  faces.  Ms. Peger  charged that politicians                                                               
have  created inflation  by  always  increasing government  wages                                                               
annually by 3 percent.   She then turned to the  proposal for a 2                                                               
percent cap, which  she characterized as not a good  idea as it's                                                               
artificial,  cumbersome, and  creates  false  evaluations.   This                                                               
legislation is perfect because it  allows locals to craft exactly                                                               
what they need  and vote on it.  She  informed the committee that                                                               
one problem is  related to the growth percentage.   She explained                                                               
that in certain cities there  isn't enough housing for the influx                                                               
of military.   In Fairbanks, for example,  the military [housing]                                                               
allotment has been  increased to $2,050.   Therefore, the average                                                               
person isn't  chosen for  rentals because  the rents  increase to                                                               
the military limit.   Ms. Peger, drawing upon  her experiences as                                                               
a landlord, related  that the situation has  resulted in families                                                               
trying to  live in  efficiencies.  The  demand for  housing makes                                                               
the valuations  real and true.   She informed the  committee that                                                               
in  Fairbanks  houses are  basically  traded  800 times  a  year.                                                               
However, there  are only  about 50 trades  a year  for commercial                                                               
property  and thus  they don't  experience the  same inflationary                                                               
pressure  of  residential  property.    This  is  unfair  because                                                               
business,  commercial, and  raw land  property valuations  aren't                                                               
properly taxed.   Ms.  Peger said  HB 199  would shift  about 1-5                                                               
mills [in tax burden] to raw land.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:43:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  related her understanding  that politicians'                                                               
wages for  Anchorage and the  state have  been frozen for  over a                                                               
decade.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:45:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHANE  HORAN, Assessor,  Kenai  Peninsula  Borough, provided  the                                                               
following testimony:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     On  behalf of  the  administration, we  do not  support                                                                    
     this bill.   The mayor believes that if  House Bill 199                                                                    
     becomes  law,  it  will  put   undue  pressure  on  the                                                                    
     assembly  to pass  an unfunded  exemption.   Currently,                                                                    
     the Kenai  Peninsula Borough does offer  a flat $20,000                                                                    
     residential exemption  for residential  properties that                                                                    
     are owned  and occupied as one's  primary residence and                                                                    
     permanent place  of abode.  Additionally,  according to                                                                    
     Kenai Peninsula  Borough, one must occupy  his/her home                                                                    
     for at least 183 days  per year for which the exemption                                                                    
     is sought.  The language  of this bill merely states "a                                                                    
     municipality may exclude or  exempt or partially exempt                                                                    
     residential   property  from   taxation  by   ordinance                                                                    
     ratified by  the voters at  an election."  I  hope your                                                                    
     intent  is that  it would  apply  to a  home owned  and                                                                    
     occupied  as  one's  primary  residence  and  permanent                                                                    
     place of abode.  Currently,  the assessed value of home                                                                    
     owner-occupied primary residences  and permanent places                                                                    
     of  abode   that  are  exempt  based   on  the  $20,000                                                                    
     residential  exemption in  the Kenai  Peninsula Borough                                                                    
     amounts  to about  $185 million  in  assessed value  or                                                                    
     approximately $2.2  million in taxes being  exempted or                                                                    
     shifted elsewhere.   For example,  to vacant  lots, non                                                                    
     owner-occupied homes,  industrial, commercial,  and our                                                                    
     oil and  gas properties.   At [the]  $50,000 exemption,                                                                    
     the  assessed  value  exempted would  approximate  $452                                                                    
     million  or about  $5.4 million  in  taxes exempted  or                                                                    
     shifted elsewhere.   Lastly, this  additional available                                                                    
     exemption  would   place  political  pressure   on  our                                                                    
     municipality to  go before  the voters  at a  time when                                                                    
     budgets are attempting to be  managed with all due care                                                                    
     and  with  all due  fiscal  responsibility.   So,  with                                                                    
     that, thank you Madame Chair for your consideration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:47:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX opined that  usually the municipalities encourage                                                               
the  legislature  not  to  establish  unfunded  mandates  and  to                                                               
maintain local control.  Therefore,  she expressed confusion with                                                               
Mr.  Horan's testimony.   Furthermore,  she  recalled that  Kenai                                                               
provides a  100 percent  senior exemption,  which is  beyond what                                                               
the state mandates.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HORAN  confirmed  that  Kenai does  provide  a  100  percent                                                               
exemption for seniors.   However, he informed  the committee that                                                               
the assembly is currently working  to cap its senior exemption at                                                               
$300,000.  He  related his understanding that the  mayor of Kenai                                                               
merely  wanted to  relate that  this  legislation places  another                                                               
pressure  to pass  an ordinance  and place  it before  the people                                                               
even though it's an optional exemption.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX   related  her   understanding  from   a  recent                                                               
Anchorage Daily News article that  Kenai is contemplating placing                                                             
the  senior  property  tax  exemption before  the  voters.    She                                                               
suggested that  perhaps coupling  this proposed ordinance  with a                                                               
reduction in  the senior exemption  could result in  a successful                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HORAN  acknowledged that [the  proposed ordinance]  may help.                                                               
He  then  informed  the  committee that  60  percent  of  Kenai's                                                               
general revenues  are collected  from property  tax and  about 20                                                               
percent from  sales tax.  Kenai  is attempting to find  a balance                                                               
by reducing the mill rate and increasing the sales tax.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:50:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  noted her agreement with  the sponsor that                                                               
in  a state  with  so  many differing  communities,  an array  of                                                               
options  should be  offered.   Therefore, she  questioned whether                                                               
Kenai may need options some time in the future.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HORAN  related his  belief that  Kenai would  like simplicity                                                               
and less  options because [more] options  increase administrative                                                               
pressure and public frustration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:52:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTY  MCGEE, Assessor,  Municipality of  Anchorage, speaking  on                                                               
behalf of  the mayor,  announced that he  doesn't oppose  HB 199.                                                               
He  noted appreciation  that  what  HB 199  proposes  is a  local                                                               
option and  a public  process related to  changing the  limits on                                                               
the amount of the exemption.   Mr. McGee echoed earlier testimony                                                               
that any change  to a tax exemption is redistribution  of the tax                                                               
and  thus other  taxpayers will  pay more  when another  group of                                                               
taxpayers is given an exemption.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:54:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LUKE  HOPKINS, Member,  Fairbanks  North  Star Borough  Assembly,                                                               
Fairbanks North  Star Borough, related the  assembly's support of                                                               
HB   199,   which   he  characterized   as   another   tool   for                                                               
municipalities.  Furthermore, it  provides many levels for public                                                               
input at the local level.   The passage of this legislation could                                                               
provide  some   homeowners  with  some  relief   from  increasing                                                               
property  assessments  and energy  costs.    Mr. Hopkins  further                                                               
related that earlier  this year the Fairbanks  North Star Borough                                                               
Assembly  supported,  by  resolution,  a request  for  a  $50,000                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:55:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAVEN OSE  related his opinion  that HB 199 basically  shifts the                                                               
tax burden  and creates  a situation of  hate amongst  [those who                                                               
receive  the exemption  and those  upon whom  the tax  burden was                                                               
shifted].   Therefore,  he suggested  that perhaps  the exemption                                                               
could  be forgive.    Mr. Ose  recalled the  last  50 years,  and                                                               
inquired as to  how many instances of waste there  have been.  In                                                               
conclusion, Mr.  Ose stated his  opposition to HB 199  because it                                                               
shifts the balance of payment from one party to another.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:59:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMIE WILSON  began by  relating her  support for  HB 199.   Ms.                                                               
Wilson  then  informed  the  committee  that  the  mill  rate  in                                                               
Fairbanks has lowered every year  since the $20,000 exemption was                                                               
established.   However,  she acknowledged  that when  there is  a                                                               
shift such as  this, someone pays somewhere along the  line.  She                                                               
then highlighted the local control  aspect of HB 199, and pointed                                                               
out  that [the  exemption  in  Fairbanks] is  20  percent of  the                                                               
assessed value or $20,000, whichever  is lower.  Furthermore, the                                                               
$20,000  exemption isn't  [utilized]  in road  service areas  and                                                               
thus the  exemption doesn't place  the fire and road  services in                                                               
detriment.  She  opined that the conflict is caused  by not being                                                               
able  to  tax/appraise  commercial  property  differently.    She                                                               
echoed  earlier  comments regarding  the  stress  created by  the                                                               
demand   for   military  housing.      She   related  that   most                                                               
[residential]  property values  have  increased  more than  10-20                                                               
percent [in  Fairbanks].  Ms.  Wilson acknowledged the  desire to                                                               
have large box  stores pay more, but she  cautioned the committee                                                               
because  small businesses  do  get  caught up  in  this as  well.                                                               
However,  she pointed  out that  most small  business owners  own                                                               
homes and  would hopefully be  helped by this  proposed exemption                                                               
in that realm.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:03:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH,  upon determining  no  one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public  testimony.  She then noted that  a CS was                                                               
prepared so  that the committee  could consider the  exemption at                                                               
the  $50,000  level   as  well.    She   reviewed  questions  and                                                               
suggestions related  to HB 199  and suggested that  the committee                                                               
consider those and any possible amendments.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:05:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI,  utilizing a pictorial, related  that if                                                               
the assessments decrease due to  a higher portion being exempted,                                                               
then the mill  rates would have to increase in  order to maintain                                                               
the  same level  of  revenue.   The  aforementioned would  impact                                                               
communities  such  as Fairbanks  that  are  at the  revenue  cap.                                                               
Communities that  raise more than  the cap would  probably decide                                                               
whether to increase the  mill rate or not.  In  fact, the City of                                                               
Fairbanks went through a mill  rate reduction last year, although                                                               
they could raise  more since its not at the  cap.  Representative                                                               
Kawasaki  said he  found it  bizarre that  Kenai wouldn't  want a                                                               
local  option and  the  local community  could  determine how  to                                                               
specify the type of property.   He noted that not every community                                                               
has  a  property  tax.     In  closing,  Representative  Kawasaki                                                               
expressed  his desire  to  work with  the Chair  to  make HB  199                                                               
better legislation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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